Terms of use

The service

Cinder is a cigar price comparison tool operated by V2S2M, LLC. We publish list prices, shop quotes, and deal flags. We do not sell tobacco, ship cigars, or take payment for cigars. Checkout happens on the retailer's site under that retailer's terms.

21 or older

You must be 21 or older, and of legal age to purchase tobacco where you live. You confirm that when you open the desk. We may refuse or close an account if we believe this is not true.

Accounts

Keep your password and authenticator to yourself. You are responsible for activity on your account. Email accounts need a 12-character password; we ask you to turn on 2FA after sign-in. Google and X sign-in keep 2FA on their side.

Prices are not a promise

Quotes can be live from a shop catalog or modeled when a shop blocks an automated pull. Inventory, tax, shipping, and state restrictions are the retailer's. A listed price can change or sell out before you check out. Cinder is not a party to your purchase.

Affiliate links

Some outgoing shop links are affiliate links. If you buy after following one, the retailer may pay V2S2M, LLC a commission. See the affiliate disclosure. Ranking is by quoted price, not commission rate.

Alerts and email

Phone banners and deal emails are opt-in. We will not add you to a marketing list because you created an account, scanned prices, or opened Stripe. Every marketing email includes unsubscribe. You can also use /unsubscribe. Transactional security mail is separate.

Member desk

Humidor, ratings, notes, recommendations, and importing cigars from a shop confirmation email are paid features billed by Stripe. A purchase you type in by hand stays on the free desk. You can cancel in Stripe or from the account page. Fees already paid are not refunded except where the law requires it.

Your content

Grades and notes you write stay on your desk. You grant us a limited license to store and display them to you, and to use de-identified demand signals (for example, that a brand is watched often) to improve the catalog. Do not post anyone else's private data.

Acceptable use

Do not scrape Cinder to resell our quotes, break authentication, impersonate another person, or use the desk to sell tobacco to minors. We may suspend accounts that abuse the service.

No warranty

The desk is provided as is. V2S2M, LLC is not liable for missed deals, stale quotes, or anything you buy from a retailer. Tobacco use carries health risks; Cinder is not medical or legal advice.

Privacy

Our privacy policy explains what we collect.

Contact

V2S2M, LLC · https://cinder.v2s2m.com · jack@v2s2m.com